Choose one of Three Dystopian Futures

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David Suzuki, Professor Guy McPherson, and Kevin Hester give their take or where we’re at with our early stage runaway climate catastrophe.
David Suzuki believes that in 20 years life won’t be worth living.
Professor McPherson believes that there won’t be a human on the planet in 2025 and most of us and most complex life  will be gone long before.
I’m with Professor McPherson, as I defer to his award winning knowledge as an Evolutionary Biologist, his inherent honesty and the fact that there is not one dollar in this for him.
Brickbats, slander, death threats, that’s his payment for speaking truth to power.
Judge for yourself, prepare for the worst.

Activist, sailor, passionate about the earth. Brace for impact, based on the way the world is being operated and treated. Live every day as precious.

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11 comments on “Choose one of Three Dystopian Futures
  1. bothandeach says:

    The one thing we don’t want to hear, so sadly, is the truth.

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  2. David Pate says:

    WASF OBE

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  3. Survival Acres says:

    The video is primarily propaganda. Propaganda is the art of promoting falsehoods. The record already shows that these individuals in the video were incorrect – life is still worth living (right up to the end) for example.

    Moreover, the ‘emotional appeal’ element in the video does not provide any compelling reason (or evidence) of the outrageous claims being made. This is why I do not like this video – it’s just propaganda. A tactic used by people to attempt to ‘convince’ through persuasion, versus facts and evidence.

    Suzuki erred (as the evidence shows, it’s been 20 years and yes, life is still worth living as billions will testify) – as does McPherson err.

    I have often wondered if you or he have actually “done the math” to grasp the sheer numbers of what he’s now claiming (no humans, no species, 2025). Well, of course you have, but still, it’s a ridiculous claim with no factual evidence (speculation at best with multiple failure points). It’s an extraordinary claim (still) lacking extraordinary evidence. There will be billions of humans still here in 2025 because humans will still be able to exploit their environment sufficiently enough to survive, even under the conditions we both know to expect in 2025.

    I’ve no doubt whatsoever that we are utterly destroying the biosphere – and that we will self-extinguish in time, I know the reasons this will happen better then anyone. But I also know that we have an incredible capacity to do exactly that – exploit whatever is left and therefore by this means, we will survive longer then this early date by a large margin.

    Humans have yet to face the reality of the death of the biosphere in a meaningful way, but we will (as we must). It will be irrefutable. In the meanwhile, everything possible will be tried (as it already is) to keep us going. There is quite a lot yet to be tried, we haven’t but scratched the surface in this area. We are capable of much, much more effort then what we presently show.

    It’s gone far beyond silly, ridiculous and fear-mongering to pick dates like this. They’re always wrong. Always, because they fail to account for the actual facts, sheer number of variables and all the things we actually still don’t know. To claim that “we know” and “when” is just hubris – or grandstanding. You should be smart enough to know this.

    This is now causing a huge rift within the climate change movement. The NTHE crowd has split, and split again, dragging down the entire effort to bring climate change to the public consciousness. The luminaries within the movement are all jockeying for attention. It’s beyond stupid – its just plain silly and childish. But beyond the personalities and characters involved, it’s just wrong – as the record actually shows. There is no factual evidence that the death rate will exponentially increase this quickly as claimed. This is utterly, factually false (at this time and for the foreseeable next few years).

    I have seen factions like this splitting before, this is nothing new to me. And I have also seen the same failures by the speakers and presenters before. While trying to vie for attention and support, they fail to stay on message. McPherson’s message has always been false and misguided. I am not denigrating the man (who I do not know) – but the message. It’s a message of futility, failure and defeat. Fatalism in other words. It’s not “only love remains” as alleged – this is a distraction (and a red herring) in his message. It is a message of acceptance of defeat. That is what underlies his core teaching now. And it’s wrong. It’s always been wrong, it is not the human way.

    Eventually, he’s going to realize this. As he must, because his dates are going to come and go. And he and most of the rest of us will still be here. Unless he changes his “reasons” for the delay (which is what most people do when discovered to be dead wrong), he’ll own up to the errors he’s made. But that remains to be seen. Only fools continue to insist on how right they are when they are clearly wrong. I hope he’s not a fool.

    You have both made a tactical, strategic error. You’ve grossly underestimated the capacity of the species, the leverage which we still have, the resources which remain and the ingenuity and ability to try something (literally everything) else to try and preserve our species. While I am not advocating that this is all right and correct and the best way – it does mean that 2025 will come and go and you will both be easily proven wrong.

    I could pick the entire narrative apart, item by item, but it would be pointless if you don’t stand back and consider your present platform and its core message. You’re both actually working against us (humans and all life on Earth) with the defeatism, fatalism and failure your promoting. For some reason, neither of you can see this. Life is not about death acceptance – or giving up. Your message is committing all generations to hopelessness.

    I am not a proponent of hopium either (as my published record clearly shows), this is not what I’m sharing here. There is however, an opposite human message to fatalism. It is called life and living. We do not “live for death to come” but live to embrace our time here, alive. And we pass this on to our progeny. McPherson is not doing this in his teachings and neither are you.

    We absolutely MUST start caring for the Earth in a responsible way – and do our damnedest to find a way to survive, but acceptance of defeat is not the correct narrative and never will be.

    This is why I stopped writing. The narrative of climate change, human extinction and how we must live has become polluted, distorted and distracted from reality. Some insist on being heard (and get all the attention). Others are demanding for the same attention. It’s all rather ridiculous and I walked away from it, but more importantly, the message is just wrong and always was.

    The LIFE Project offered something far, far more then the “death acceptance”. It was clear to me early on that this proposal was too soon for the disinterested world and even those who have already embraced death. But I expect something along these lines will indeed be tried – because it is already clear, it is very necessary in a collapsing biosphere that is accelerating every day.

    Good luck with your endeavors. I am only trying to help you see the folly that is being presented and perhaps why the message is so widely rejected. It’s not the right message or narrative and it will simply never gain wide acceptance. It defies everything that it means to be human and to embrace life and living.

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  4. Kevin Hester says:

    I believe that the reason the message is ‘ignored’, only by some I might add, is because sapiens are hard wired to deny existential crisis. We are so far over the cliff we are now plummeting into the abyss. One of the next 3 melt seasons in the arctic will almost certainly see the discharge of the 50 gigatonne methane bursts hypothesised by Shakova et al from the University of Fairbanks in Alaska which will jump start the domino effect of the collapse of grain production and industrial civilisation and quite likely the atmosphere due to 450 nuclear plant meltowns and 1300 spent fuel pool fires.
    If we are still having this debate in 5 years I shall be stunned, otherwise it will have been incinerated back into the ether.

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    • Survival Acres says:

      This point in particular (450 nuclear power plant meltdown) makes absolutely no sense and never has. It fails to address the effort that will be / can be expended to mitigate this problem. Whether it works or not remains to be seen, but it could be. As it is, it has not happened yet and therefore, cannot be claimed as a certainty either way. It is not yet the predicament as claimed.

      Shakova’s estimates are interesting, but you may noticed she’s not a NTHE person herself. She’s actually backed off from her fears in some presentations. Most scientists, even “in the know” of biosphere collapse do not embrace the NTHE message or movement.

      Food wholesale prices by the way just jumped average 40% a few days ago. Competition for critical resources is obviously increasing, but we’ve not seen anything yet. This will force more action and attention, but it certainly doesn’t mean “it’s over”. Not yet.

      Our cognitive dissonance is only part of the human problem, civilization is the real issue and what it really means. We’re enamored with it and refuse to consider anything else. We are in accelerating collapse, but we’ve got a long ways to go yet. We are not yet out of options. No options means ‘predicament’, but we are not there yet and won’t be for some time (way past 2025). Yes, it will be a hellish place (no matter what), but humans have lived in hellish places before.

      The reality is this: we’ve not even really tried yet (as a species / country / movement) and there are many of these tries and efforts left even in the midst of accelerating collapse. Therefore, we are not really at the predicament point – and won’t be for quite some time. There are (some) real solutions that can be enacted for (some) of the known problems. They will eventually be tried. Their outcome is as yet unknown (and actually, irrelevant). We know we are going to try irregardless of the expected outcome because we will have to. It is what humans have always done. That is not going to change – even in collapse.

      This is why the predicament claim remains inaccurate. It’s a distracting claim that endorses defeatism. It presents itself as the known outcome, which is simply false. It is not the outcome, it is simply a prediction, but one based upon numerous variables known and unknown, each with different and unknown outcomes. As predictions go, the “predicament” claim is actually highly inaccurate. It is being used in the present tense to engender fear versus action and change. This is part of the false narrative that I write about.

      There is a real danger that arises when picking dates, I’ve seen this many times before, it tends to discredit even those who may eventually be correct or partially right. The real danger however is it puts everything on hold for the duration by those that embrace this. It’s a false reality in other words and fosters a false existence for those that embrace this. Then the dates come and those years spent in that false reality are forever lost. We don’t have this luxury of time, because the real reality needs our attention – and efforts.

      I’d like to see the NTHE movement, climate change awareness movement, and related activism ‘mature’ to the point of sincerity, i.e., “tell it like it is and focus on trying”. That is at least in part, the human story (the latter part). We do tend to self-deceive and distract.

      Both points are missing from the current narrative and are being seriously distorted. Either it’s being told “like it really is” (current state of collapse) but refuses to try or foster effort, or it’s not being told like it really is (whitewashed / greenwashed) with false optimism / hopium of how current levels of trying “will work” (somehow) while being considerably dishonest about it, or both components are being falsely interjected into the current narrative (no sincerity, false hopium, false efforts). The real narrative (reality) is still not being properly shared and / or embraced.

      I fully recognize that that real narrative is painful, ugly and harsh, but I fail to see the point to pretend otherwise or spend critical time on the false narratives and the efforts being spent on these.

      Nearly all the messages about climate change, biosphere collapse and human response contain various components of dishonesty right now. Hopium filled assessments or inaccurate, watered down stories. This isn’t what is really happening. It is not reality. It’s very important the we speak fully in terms of reality now. It will be the only way we can gain the proper focus.

      This is related to the NTHE message being widely ignored and cognitive dissonance. The movement has gone off the rails. It has become a cult of personality and vying for attention, along with huge media distortions and here in America, mass denial and disinterest. The reality is very, very few people embrace NTHE globally. Its message is presently highly inaccurate and it is making a huge mistake by picking early date(s) (or picking dates at all).

      There is an entirely different reality actually unfolding that has nothing to do with the NTHE message, and this is what is actually real and needs to be presented to the world – not what the NTHE people “believe” or have adopted as part of their creed. A very important point that needs to be seriously considered if a course correction will be adopted or considered.

      If not, then as a movement, NTHE will continue to be discredited (and implode) while still gaining cult followers who will be left standing in the rain when their “reality” didn’t happen as expected. It will be a huge waste on a massive scale, when it has an opportunity to actually do some real good.

      Sorry for the longish posts.

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      • gasbuggy says:

        It is perfectly natural for large segments of society to label, reminders of death’s inevitability, as propaganda. Denial is a natural human protective coping mechanism. It is frequently expressed in various forms of cognitive dissonance.

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      • gasbuggy says:

        Your views are based upon the assumptions that billions of people make. It is part of the nuclear design strategy that has always assumed that after the fission control rods are inserted into the hundreds of nuclear reactors that, for at least 5-10 years following, there will be ample supplies of trained nuclear technicians, a viable supply chain of replacement parts for the spent nuclear fuel cooling pools and a reliable supply of externally supplied electrical power to operate the cooling pumps. Some of us have considered factors that are never taken into consideration because they are considered too improbable.

        Consider the Fukushima Das-ichi triple reactor meltdown fiasco. They, like all nuclear power plant designs, where designed so if one reactor experienced a major problem it would not affect the other reactors. The plant had multiple backup power options, including four power lines coming in from outside sources. Each reactor was designed with layered safety backup systems so if one failed others would take up the slack. The reactors were based upon a U.S. General Electric (GE) design still in operation in the U.S. They depended upon teams of engineers consulting with each other and followed by regulatory agencies. These engineers were superbly confident in themselves and repeatedly reassured government officials and the public that they had considered every credible fault scenario. It is the job of many officials to provide reassurances that they have done everything possible to maintain the safety of the public and to not put them into the kind of debt that is happening with the Fukushima fiasco.

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  5. Kevin Hester says:

    We can’t even keep them safe on a good day. Chuck in Dr James Hansens super storms and the collapse of industrial civilisation and I cannot understand anyone not seeing 450 meltdowns and 1300 spent fuelpool fires.
    https://kevinhester.live/2017/04/29/my-presentation-at-the-international-community-development-conference-2017/

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    • Survival Acres says:

      I watched it. I don’t agree of course. You’ve simply assumed that there will be concurrent failures all at once, no efforts to mitigate or repair, essentially a near-instantaneous “vaporization” of all personnel worldwide at once and thus, nuclear catastrophe. Of course this makes as much sense as the Rapture which proposes the same ridiculous conjecture.

      Fukushima was a natural catastrophe that was initiated over mere minutes – not years or even decades as describes climate collapse / sea-level rise. Not the same thing at all. I am aware of the very long periods of commissioning and the process involved.

      This is a good example of the type of message that is distraction (and defeatism – “it’s going to happen and we can’t do anything about it”). Hogwash. This story is purely assumption without basis in time or fact, but has become a component of the narrative and being presented as fact (already – it’s not). It is simply wrong and is just as guilty of the over-reaching and inaccurate claims being used by climate denialists.

      The real narrative will align with reality – not one based on assumptions, inaccuracies or falsehoods. It is far more likely that accelerated decommissioning will be undertaken versus “let them burn” (a certain path of stupidity and death), which will be the preferred path for survival and strategy. And if you consider the actual history of human intervention in nuclear crisis – this is what we tried – every time. We will most likely (with high confidence) try this again and would in fact, have far more time to do so then what has happened in the past.

      This is why this element is just a story based on multiple erroneous assumptions.

      There is a lot we still don’t know, but it does no good at all to promote a narrative that is incorrect. Perhaps the greatest failure in the NTHE narrative is the failure to recognize that need for human survival inherent to our species – and what we are willing to do to actually try and have it.

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  6. Survival Acres says:

    Oops – no edit available. I meant “very long periods of decommissioning”.

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    • John Weaver says:

      Here’s the thing….do you see anyone really changing their behavior in time to avert disaster? I mean, really, the G20 nations are only now grappling with this? Post Paris Accord 2016, which honestly should have been in 1976, at the latest….well, all’s well that ends well. Just look up Peter Ward’s work if Guy’s timeline is too aggressive for you. Nearly every kid grows up wondering about dinosaurs, what they were, what killed them…then one gets older and thinks about other life that came after them, what killed them off, etc. Methane is the great killer, that and a dead ocean system that makes hydrogen sulfides to kill off more life. ‘We’re’ waking up that methane through our current civilization. Cthulu will awaken. Extinctions will accelerate. But now countries have nukes, to settle up old ethnic hatreds, terrorize people or just end civilization if it becomes too difficult to maintain at some point. Dr. Strangelove was right. Learn to love the bomb. The methane bomb. And then all the others will likely ‘bat last’.

      Ice cream?

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Kevin Hester is currently living on Rakino Island, a small island in the Hauraki Gulf near Auckland New Zealand, monitoring the unravelling of the biosphere and planning Professor Guy McPherson’s November 2016 NZ and Australian speaking tour which is a follow up to the 2014 speaking tour. The Island has no grid tied electricity or reticulated water. I catch my own water from the roof and generate my electricity from the ample solar radiation on the island.
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