Scientific Mal-Practice from the Mann Himself

In an August the  5th 2018 article in Salon titled “On Climate Change it’s time to start panicking” Michael E Mann bare faced lies to an unsuspecting public saying that it is still possible to avoid a dangerous 2C temperature rise on this beleaguered planet.
“The good news is that humanity hasn’t passed the point of no return, at least when it comes to the total destruction of our species (we have definitely passed that point when it comes to avoiding any kinds of lasting consequences). If we are to stave off even worse examples of extreme weather than the hurricanes, wildfires, floods, droughts and heat waves we’ve already experienced, however, we need to start implementing intelligent policies — and do so now.”
At this point in the article I urge informed readers to get a bucket to spew into when you read the following orchestrated litany of lies from the Mann Himself;

“I would place a price on carbon,” Michael E Mann, a Distinguished Professor of Atmospheric Science at Penn State, told Salon by email. “Whether this takes the form of a carbon tax (a revenue-neutral carbon tax? fee and dividend? cap-and-trade?), I leave that to the policymakers to determine as long as they accept, as the premise for policy, what the science has to say about the reality and threat of climate change. The price on carbon needs to be set such that it leads to a reduction in carbon emissions of several percent a year for the next few decades. If we do that, we can avoid a catastrophic 2C (~3.5 F) warming of the planet.”

If the reader has been paying any attention at all regarding the unfolding catastrophe and is aware of all the tipping points we have already crossed, they will know that this goal is impossible and the statement a blatant lie from a world renowned scientist. The ‘Go to guy’ for the corporate media. How dire must the situation be for Mann to be lying blatantly like this?
How the fuck will a tax over “the next few decades” prevent us from crossing the 2C rubicon when we are already something like 1.7C above the 1700 baseline, the only one we should be using. Factor in the 10 to 30 year lag between cause and effect of our emissions and it’s clear 2C is an impossibility?
For pities sake, 2C is baked in now, not decades into a future that will never arrive.
I take no pleasure in calling Mann a liar but the facts speak for themselves.

I’ll give you a hint where this is going to and coming from; “He also rejected the idea promoted by many on the left that a lasting solution to global warming is impossible under a free-market capitalist economic system.” “I’m unconvinced that is true,” Mann explained. “In the past, market mechanisms for pricing environmental externalities have worked. We acted on acid rain and ozone depletion within a market economy framework. The real problem, in my view, isn’t the nature of our economic system, it’s the way that special interests and plutocrats have blocked the sort of common-sense market approaches to dealing with environmental problems that were once supported by democrats and republicans alike. The problem is the moral and ethical rot that now lies at the very center of the republican establishment, the lack of good faith and the total sellout to special interests and plutocrats.”Can you Smell a free-market capitalist rat yet?

Not only is the liar saying that market forces can fix this predicament, he’s blaming the Republicans. Hilary Clinton’s script writer couldn’t have put it ‘better’. Maybe they wrote it for him?
Mann is patently owned by the very same corporations that are grinding the living planet into dust.
We have covered previously on this blog the “Total Lack of Urgency” being shown by scientists when covering our predicament. Contrast that with Meyer Hillman’s owning up on his death bed; “Were Doomed, Meyer Hillman on the climate reality that no one else will dare mention” 
Typically The Guardian in their title above ignored the seminal work of Professor Guy McPherson who has been raising the extinction alarm since 2012.
Check out this excellent expose’ of Mann making a liar of himself “Irony of Inaction- With “Honest” MIchael Mann

There is no past analogue for the rapidity of what we are baring witness to.
There has been a flood of articles recently from very mainstream as well as alternative media about the climate crisis where they admit that 2C is no longer attainable and that we are heading for dangerous climate change ( appallingly Greenpeace said on twitter today that 1.5C is achievable !!!!! Now they are outright lying as well.)
The media have been forced to address the predicament because of the rapidity of change yet still they aren’t conveying the true severity of the unfolding catastrophe and the rapidity of the change.
I’ve repeatedly quoted Albert Bartlett with his seminal statement “One of the greatest shortcomings of the human race is it’s inability to understand the exponential function”. We are now in the non-linear stage of the unraveling, there are few alive who will understand how quickly it will fall apart from here on despite our efforts to convey the urgency of the situation.

Kevin Sandbloom from  Black Bear News  also calls out Mann and his ‘tax’ and  the nuclear industry for their lies in the following embedded link;  French nuclear productionreduced by 31 GW due to heatwave !! So much for Nukes saving the planet from climate change!
The two embedded links below cover both an overview of abrupt climate change and an explanation of the rapidity we should brace for;
Overview Of Abrupt Anthropogenic Climate Change



Utah Phillips


I'm an anti-imperialist, environmental activist and blue ocean sailor, who is passionate about the earth and all it's inhabitants without favour. Brace for imminent impact as we bare witness to the non-linear unraveling of the biosphere and habitability disappearing for most if not all complex life on the only habitable planet we know of. To quote President Niinistö in North Russia: ‘If We Lose the Arctic, We Lose the World’. Folks we have lost the Arctic.

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95 comments on “Scientific Mal-Practice from the Mann Himself
  1. Kevin Hester says:

    More lies from the Mann himself


    • Carbon emissions are starting to plateau? That the first I’ve heard of that happening! As a matter of fact the dent in emissions due to Covid lock-downs last year seem to have surged right on past 2019’s emissions this year. And don’t listen to the DOOMERS because, well you know, they’re too depressing and of course technology is going to save us.

      I’m at 9:14 and do I really need to watch the rest of this, Kevin? I should be cooking dinner, or feeding the dog, maybe vacuuming the front room, scrubbing the toilet…something more useful. Let me know and I’ll finish watching it later.

      As for Biden’s so-called ‘Climate Plan’ this should show where we’re heading:

      Biden’s Forest Service To Facilitate Quadrupling Of Oil Production

      Center for Biological Diversity

      Salt Lake city, Utah – In a massive blow to U.S. efforts to address the climate crisis, the Biden administration is poised to approve a right-of-way through the Ashley National Forest that would take the climate-damaging Uinta Basin Railway one step closer to being built.


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  2. More on Mann’s claim about GHGs/CO2. According to this, it has NOT flattened but the opposite!

    ‘We are way off track’: New climate report shows sharp rise in greenhouse gas emissions–We-are-way-off-track-New-climate-report-shows-sharp-rise-in-greenhouse-gas-emissions


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  3. Kevin Hester says:

    Mann whining on Twitter;


    • I agree with Mann. Pissing on a meeting that is a useless joke designed to accomplish nothing but self-congratulatory ego-massaging that allows the corporate Doomers and those they own & control to continue to operate the world for their own profit statements to continue with their destructive behavior with a sheen of ‘we are saving the world’ green-washing PR layered over the top of their lies certainly won’t help anyone or the planet.

      Can you find the irony in my agreement with him? Could he? I doubt it.



  4. Here’s Greta Thunberg outside of COP-OUT 26. This is from a Reuters twitter link and many of the comments are rather negative. So many ignorant twits out there.

    “…they know exactly what they are doing…” and she’s absolutely correct, they DO know exactly what they are doing just as Mann knows the bird-dogging he’s doing going nah-nah at people calling bullshit trying to shame them for pissing reality on these stupid greenwashing meetings.

    The avalanche continues to crash down hill on all our heads, but we don’t have bunkers full of food and guns…



    • She came up with the term Chief Climate Fucktard for Mann. I had chuckles going on that one. Nobody has commented on it since 2019 when it was published and I wonder just what everyone (including the writer) is thinking after the last 2 1/2 years of accelerated collapse in every field that I can think of.

      Good essay.

      So…we can call ourselves Themists instead of DOOMERS and ALARMISTS! Nobody in this mountain area would have any idea what the hell I was talking about as I don’t think one in a thousand know anything about ancient Greece around here (and there are only 40,000 total in the county so even that may be stretching it!).

      I tabbed latest posts and she quit publishing in 2019 as she was going in for ‘cataract surgery?’ So has she left the stage sometime after Nov 2019? Did she ever get to see just how dirty her house was?


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  5. Kevin Hester says:

    The latest lies from the Liar Michael Mann


    • Blah blah blah, eh? As the woman PhD says, both the policy sector AND the private sector…2070 is a statement to draw attention…a goal we’ll ‘get to LATER’ at holding temperature to 1.5C. WTF? It’s already beyond later since 2C already passed measuring from 1750… And Mann says…BLAH BLAH BLAH…lot of progress…and ‘WE’ are neglecting to recognize that… WTF? Thunberg must really piss him off, ya know?

      So tired of the absolute bullshit being spewed.

      Oh, and those indigenous communities at COP-OUT26? You mean the ones that the rich countries don’t listen to anyway because they’re all a bunch of uncouth uncivlized savages?

      Then there is this concept brought up by Feffer (as if US politicians would even think about doing this!):

      If You Think the Pushback Against Vaccine Mandates is Unhinged, Wait for the Climate Mandates


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  6. Kevin Hester says:

    “On the show, Chris Hedges discuss the corporatization and corruption of American science with the author Clifford D. Conner.”

    “Science in the United States almost exclusively serves the interest of corporate and military power. Science historian Clifford Conner writes that the corruption of science exploded with the 1942-1945 Manhattan Project, the first “big science” project in which the government spent massively on developing the atom bomb. Science, from this point forward, became big business. Scientists are employed in “hypothesis-driven” research to promote the interests of the food industry, the tobacco industry, and the fossil fuel industry, attacking or silencing scientific studies that cast doubt on the claims of these industries. The result is a society awash in lies, many of them buttressed by bogus scientific studies carried out to reach the conclusion demanded by those who pay for the studies.”


  7. Kevin Hester says:

    “On the show, Chris Hedges discuss the corporatization and corruption of American science with the author Clifford D. Conner.”
    “Science in the United States almost exclusively serves the interest of corporate and military power. Science historian Clifford Conner writes that the corruption of science exploded with the 1942-1945 Manhattan Project, the first “big science” project in which the government spent massively on developing the atom bomb. Science, from this point forward, became big business. Scientists are employed in “hypothesis-driven” research to promote the interests of the food industry, the tobacco industry, and the fossil fuel industry, attacking or silencing scientific studies that cast doubt on the claims of these industries. The result is a society awash in lies, many of them buttressed by bogus scientific studies carried out to reach the conclusion demanded by those who pay for the studies.”


    • I laughed at this vid rant. Then read this one today:

      As climate ‘net-zero’ plans grow, so do concerns from scientists

      Faced with the prospect that climate change will drive ever deadlier heat waves, rising seas and crop failures that will menace the global food system, countries, corporations and cities appear to have come up with a plan: net zero. 

      The concept is simple: starting now, to ensure that by a certain date — usually 2050 — they absorb as much carbon dioxide as they emit, thereby achieving carbon neutrality.

      Ahhh, 2050 is such a lovely date don’t you agree? At least that’s what the governments want us to believe. As if…no wonder Guy is going off on ranting at the stupid because the people reading shit like this are sending him question… I’m sure Mann has no problem with the 2050 date, either…


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  8. Kevin Hester says:

    At the 17 minute mark the liar Michael Mann says that 1.5C is still achievable, shortly after he says that emissions have peaked and we now need to lower them.
    He’s Lying


    • Holy shit, Kevin!

      Another massive storm system with up to 80mph winds is pouring down the West Coast and then zipping up & across the Midwest & South again just like last Friday’s radical weather. More tornadoes without a doubt, how could it not be a repeat unless people are very very lucky. Wednesday in the US might be just like last Friday.

      Huge dry cell lines stretched across multiple states sucking moisture up from the Gulf, hot air running into cold air…all due to hit TOMORROW. Huge alarm bells going off all across the Midwest. 70s to 80s F, where it should be snowing this time of year… I’ve got paternal family in Iowa which looks like it’ll be hit at least as hard as Kentucky was four days ago.

      weather weenie alert:

      Snowfall at 5 inches an hour in the California Sierras, too. An hour? A 24 hour storm would put down…3.33 meters of snow in one day. Unless my calculator is wrong. Did I drop a decimal point?

      Welcome to climate collapse, USA. You ain’t gonna like what comes next. Oh man I am really not looking forward to next Spring/Summer.

      Then Joe Biden continues to be old and feeble and a little confused but comes out with “SOME impact due to climate ‘change.” SOME. Yeah, well, Trump would have screamed it was caused by the people that don’t like his Fascist Fat Ass.

      Then I hear the “NEW NORMAL” by the new FEMA chief. Oh ya think? How long before FEMA will be unable to respond to the ongoing disastrous weather patterns? The WILL run out of equipment, personnel, funding… We will all be on our own at that point.

      The Gulf of Mexico ocean water temps are extremely warm. That’s going to keep throwing enormous amounts of moisture north.

      I can’t handle listening to Mann. I just can’t. The fucking Jet Stream is looping like a run-over snake you fucking idiot. Thunderstorm Supercell “that sorta form long lines”…then the link stopped and threw an error message saying try back again later. I heard enough to gag anyway. Didn’t get to where he said emissions have peaked…

      Which is a direct and blatant lie. WTF? I probably would have just gotten even more pissed off at his smarmy face saying something that stupid. Maybe it’s a good thing the link froze?

      And out my window the sun is shining through the glass quite warm on my arms and I can feel the heat on the back of my hands typing this. It’s a bit glaring then blocked due to mixed broken-up cloud masses going by at a rapid rate, but for being the 14th of December it is far too warm and sunny. The air is chill but nearly all the tiny bits of snow that fell that were hiding under trees have disappeared.

      Tomorrow should be another interesting weather news day for the US. Hey, the IPCC got something right:

      Global Warming Can Set The Stage for Deadly Tornadoes
      The latest IPCC science report affirmed an increase in U.S. tornado clusters.


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  9. Kevin Hester says:

    “Hawking is taking some rhetorical license here,” Michael Mann, a climate scientist at the Pennsylvania State University, told Live Science in an email. “Earth is further away from the sun than Venus and likely cannot experience a runaway greenhouse effect in the same sense as Venus — i.e. a literal boiling away of the oceans”
    The asshole Michael Mann down playing valid risk yet again.


    • At least he said this:

      “However Hawking’s larger point — that we could render the planet largely uninhabitable for human civilization if we do not act to avert dangerous climate change — is certainly valid.”

      That we could is more than I expected even with the poo-poo of ‘we’re too far from the sun’ remark.

      Hawking was light year’s more intelligent than pretty much anybody on the planet. Including Michael Mann. If it hadn’t been for universal Socialist health care, he wouldn’t have survived childhood and we would have never known what he was going to teach us.

      I’m still reading through Hawking’s ‘A Brief History of Time.’ Taking it in small sips, it stretches parts of my brain to contemplate.

      More rain then snow expected in two days, 22Dec. Rain on my birth anniversary! NOT normal for December but hey, at least it isn’t VENUS!

      I’m not really a celebrate b-day person, and I used to always try to be out surfing or dropping a hill in powder on a snowboard on that day instead. Now I don’t live near the beach and the mountains no longer are packed with enough snow to make it worthwhile. Besides, I can’t hike backcountry any longer as that b-day thing has caught up to me. AGE!


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  10. Kevin Hester says:

    Now the liar is comparing himself to Leonado DiCaprio;


    • Humor on the movie Don’t Look Up from roaming charges:

      + Perhaps the funniest joke in Don’t Look Up is that the two “scientists” who discover the killer comet with “data” are portrayed by actors who both dropped out of high school, which is, of course, “vurry Amuricahn”, as Ezra Pound would say.
      + Don’t Look Up is in the same predicament as the Onion. We live in an age that defies satire and parody. It may be the lone immunity we’ve developed over the last decade.
      + This is why Don’t Look Up is more a collection of gags, some funnier than others, than a successful satire. “In a video, Rep. Madison Cawthorn claims he got married after a guy he met at a Russian casino scammed him into attending a CrossFit competition that didn’t actually exist, but “put me in the same room with the girl who would eventually become my fiancée.””
      + Much more dangerous than the politicians who tell you “Don’t Look Up” are the politicians who encourage you to “Look Up” and then while your attention is diverting from looking up, quietly offer oil leases on 82 million acres of the Gulf of Mexico…
      + Another of the unintended ironies of Don’t Look Up is that Leonardo DiCaprio–who privately jetted with Israeli models (humans, not charts) to climate soirees–is pushing EVs as a climate solution, which of course require the very rare earth metals the Rylance/Musk character is so eager to mine at any price.
      + Here’s another example of how widely the satire of Don’t Look Up misses its mark. In the “Don’t Look Up” J6-style rally, one of the crude caricatures of a redneck Trump supporter accidentally looks up and sees the comet for the first time, turns to Jonah Hill’s Don Jr. character and says, “They lied to us!” and throws a Slurpee at him. That’s not the way it turned out, of course. Last week Trump bragged about getting a Covid booster shot and was pelted with boos and accusations that he was Fauci’s pet.\

      Just a little share of the insanity.



  11. Kevin Hester says:

    The gobshite gets worse by the day;
    Subscribe to the “Just Collapse” you tube channel, they are doing great work


    • sealintheselkirks says:

      This guy is a fucking idiot. Or maybe not because I just don’t understand his motivation for lying about just how much of a rise we’ve already created since 1750. So…okay he’s not an idiot but a corrupt asshole? What is the benefit he gets out of disseminating this garbage to the ignorant US public?

      There has to be SOMETHING he gets out of his performances. The guy got absolutely trashed when he published the ‘hockey stick’ graph and now he seems to have gotten ‘with the program’ of oil company promo bullshit that keeps the track to oblivion steady as she goes…

      I just DON’T get it.

      In that graph of how bad is it gonna get, I’m sad to be saying I’m in the 4C category. Or worse. With the madness of this weekend’s never-before-seen heat in both the Antarctic and Arctic…I wonder if Mann added this into his calculations?

      This coming summer is going to be FUCKED in these mountains.

      And as for Putin in the Ukraine, he’s NOT Hitler he’s another goddam Dick fucking Cheney doing exactly what the US did to Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, Syria, etc etc. And all for oil. So I wish the US corporate news pricks would correct their comparisons.


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  12. Kevin Hester says:

    The liar Michael Mann carrying on his orchestrated litany of lies yet again.
    Notice how he didn’t refute the interviewers contention that the 1.5C warming limit is still achievable !
    He really is a flake;


  13. […] 2C (~3.5 F) warming of the planet.”Complete and utter bullshit unsupported by any real science. Scientific Mal-Practice from the Mann HimselfAnother perfect example of why we are completely and utterly fucked. In this cluster fuck of lies […]

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  14. Kevin Hester says:

    Guy’s latest on the lies being sold to the public and a hat tip to this piece on the liar Michael Mann, I’m mentioned in dispatches;


    • sealintheselkirks says:

      I absolutely love the “Ummmm, Ummmm” at about 15:20 when Guy says I get NO PRIVILEGE from correlating and putting out the science facts, that my father died in 2020 thinking I was a horrible person and my mother and siblings think the same thing. He literally gave the guy no way to answer because the interviewer is rooted in this Capitalist society where privilege, wealth, status, and the accolades of others with privilege. Instead of those being the most important (including that little bit about not having a paycheck in more than a decades which probably rattled the dude’s brain on that alone (and yes i understand that completely as I’ve not had somebody write me a ‘paycheck’ since the late 1980s teaching PreKindergarten).

      How does this dude come back from Guy’s comment of being COMMITTED TO THE TRUTH no matter where it leads?

      And I also read the Club of Rome report in the 70s. BIG impact on me.

      Doomers are the fucking assholes that profit from the status quo that is killing our species only home.

      Tell guy he did well with that interview.


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  15. Kevin Hester says:

    His lies get more blatant by the day!


  16. Kevin Hester says:

    We exterminate between 150 and 200 species daily but the corporate go to scientist says it couldn’t happen to us. It’s lies like this that sealed our fate.
    Can someone Mann hasn’t blocked ask him where his bunker is?


  17. Kevin Hester says:

    “Our results suggest that as CO2 accumulates in the atmosphere, the full warming effect of an emission may not be felt for several decades, if not centuries.”
    There has been much debate about the time lag between when emissions are dumped into the atmosphere and when we feel the full effects.
    Warming from Methane is to all intents and purposes effectively immediate, hence some of the shocking heat in the Northern Hemisphere.
    Carbon on the other hand can take up to centuries to manifest due to being released at scale.
    As the Northern Hemisphere’s forest’s burn huge quantities of carbon are released.
    The chaos we are seeing now doesn’t include the last 20 yrs emissions at least.
    It also debunks the Liar Michael E Mann who recently said for a dumbed down US audience that “If we stop emissions now warming will stop”.
    It’s a blatant lie.
    I’m back from another month in Facadebook jail for posting peer reviewed science that encapsulates inconvenient truths.


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Kevin Hester is currently living on Rakino Island, a small island in the Hauraki Gulf near Auckland, New Zealand, monitoring the unravelling of the biosphere and volunteering at the Rakino Island Nursery is currently developing a proposal to create a marine reserve near by. The Island has no grid tied electricity or reticulated water.  I catch my own water from the roof and generate my electricity from the ample solar radiation on the island.

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